raids of monday MC and tuesday ZG

[dlux]

Well imho they wherent that great ... any thoughts on what might have been the cause of the "failures" ?

[Sharunos Starrune]

MC, from what i heard: Too few healers, and people in general...

ZG:
Important is organisation...
- People sometimes just pull (because bored?): Dont!
- Be quiet when asked to do so!
- Listen carefully to target assignments and tactics
Another point that was holding us back was the number of mages. The Mandokir whipe was just unlucky since mando went straight to Caroline and killed her... Saw what went wrong and know how to instruct the warriors now to prevent this.
Venoxis whipe was just crap -.- dunno really what went wrong, though it might have been the lack of ranged DPS... Tanking didnt went that well after the shift, and my globalcooldown on NS for instant heal prevented me from healing bobsonn causing him to die...

[dlux]

Mc : wasnt there so cant judge

ZG:
organisation as u said idd ... the leader MUST lead and give instructions (wich u did very good shar as always) and ppl must be more patient ...
But specially after your disconnect it all went kinda wrong ... all went running upstairs and killing the groups there while we saw that its MUCH easyer to kill em on the way down ... I refused to help out (and so did tobi)
If the group leader leaves, pls reorganise and do some SMART steps, dont just rush in...

imho a GOOD raidleader and some good ppl around him are the key to a GOOD and ORGANISED raid without wipes ... wich was proven last week in MC and ZG ...

So the importance is that every one listens and reads carefully the instructions and the tactics so we dont have to repeat it EVERY SINGLE TIME we go kill fe. mandokir ...

If u subscribe read the tactics FIRST before u login to wow ...

[Sharunos Starrune]

Dlux, please note that on this run some non-signed people had joined, just because others didnt show up, so don't blame it all on them, but yes, on venoxis last week, I only highlighted the mainpoints and it went OK, and I hope that will go for mandokir soon too!

[fearoz]

maybe its also a good idea to move on trough the instance and not trying those bosses over and over again.... we all want to do hakkar... are we...

[Sharunos Starrune]

fearoz, you already said this before and I already replied before...
ZG gets HARDER and HARDER... if we have trouble doing the beginning, there is hadly any hope of doing Hakkar... or even Jindo

[thomassil]

Tips for impatient people

If we have a break for 5-10 min drink something, go to the bathroom
Listen to relaxing music, no music that makes you act agressive and pullable
Don't talk swedish in the raid channel, it is very confusing. I pomise we won't talk Dutch
When you ave something to say, say it in your party or whisper it
Watch tv if you have the time then you won't have to sit on the edge of your chair

Tips for leavers
Don't stay in ZG, get a mage to teleport, heartstone, run to the entrance. Some people might join in.

Tips for looting
When an item drops, wait with writing on the guildchat till it's decided who gets it. 5 Min later mandokir, venoxis or some other boss will be still death and 4 differen't chatbars are kinda confusing.

Tip for wanna be tanks
Don't ^^

I don't know about MC. The only thing I know is that a lot of us worshipped Sinterklaas that evening because of getting all sort of gifts.

Zul Gurub
Due the whipe at venoxis, everything stacked and went to slow. We didn't have time to proceed further towards mar'li or jeklik. No epics which I think was very lame of mando and venoxis. We are gaining more warlocks which is really good. A few more healers and we can proceed very fast in the end content.
It will take some time until the core of this guild will wear all epic items. But were still on the good way and we aren't less then other guilds. We come closer every try.
Stay focussed. If you kill a boss 1 time, prepare well and act serious to it the next attempt.

[thomassil]

Everyone wants to take down hakkar... but we can't in this state. It's no shame because some bigger more experienced guilds still have problems with him.

If we get better stuff, get more experience, routine, more balanced group we will take him down. It will just cost us time... But what would the challenge be if we could allready beat nefarian, raggy, hakkar etc. at this stage.

[dlux]

i know that shar ... wasnt saying anything wrong about it ... but every one should at least read the tactics on this forum ... that should be the least thing to do ...

maybe before we start on boss ask who needs some more explainingbefore u start explaining it all over again oh well ... maybe its still best to explain it but what ever :-p

[Sharunos Starrune]

Last raid Dlux, I was already aware that some didnt... Pelekanen and Shadowstorm had never been to ZG before so...

Thomassil points out a good fact:
Some in our guild might be getting over-courageous, pulling mobs before everyone is ready... this seriously wont speed things up, because people die and have to get rezzed again, consuming healer-mana which will have to drink again then...

[dlux]

Well that is why there has to be put 1 single puller (forgot to mention that before in my posts :-p )

Any way ... keep it going like we are doing ;-)

[runa]

The grphuging thingy....

The first raid we had in mc went out very well to be the guild first official mcraid. I mean we almost reached Lucifron. On our second raid everything just went bad and we got several wipes.

The grphuging didnt helped us that much and we didnt make any the first run. i dont understand where all those crazy ideas come from .

We lacked the healers needed for mc and we had people loging out during raid and never went back in. We had people arguing with eachother and complaining on eachother like small kiddies. Do you guys think that mm, exiles and the other guilds that make succes in hard instances play like that? Just a thought. We need to focus and listen.

One more thing. When we dont have enough people to continue to the boss i dont see the point in continue, why hunt those BoE bracers when we need to practice on bosses. Yes i KNOW we need to practice to kill elementals to, but i dont think the grphug is the answer. Do it as the first time and let sharunos lead the raid. People seems to listen more to him.

Last time i went so tired after all the wipes, when i knew that we couldnt reach boss and yet people wanted to hunt those bracers, and the practice didnt work anyway cuz people was arguing etc.

Cmon....more focus guys and no arguing!!!

[fearoz]

U got that right runa!

oh and btw sharunos, i wasnt trying to push the leaders to move on in zg, i only experienced good zg runs and i think most ppl are rdy for moving on...... anyway we always have serveral ppl in the raid that are first timers. So if i'm correct we'r doing the first bosses over and over again till everyone have seen all items dropped for 100 times

anyway, we can always TRY a next boss, zo we can SEE if its of our gear we whipe or our skills/teamwork.....

greetz

[dlux]

Well we had planned to do the spiderboss this tuesday ... but that didnt really worked out the way we planned so time was a little short ... We are indeed trying to move on in zg, but aint always that easy ...

Maybe we should try the bat boss more often en skip the spider one (as its becoming a kinda routine now and he doesnt drop that much epics anyway)...

Def should be able to try on the spider boss next tuesday ...

[bobsonn]

ok. i want to apologize for the ZG raid.
tanks messed up each boss

venoxis:
all went well. zeon (2nd tank) comes in. i didnt instuct him, cuz i thought he had done it before.
when te boss shifts he make poison clouds. whitch i walk out of. at that time zeon thought i lost agro. he taunted the boss and kept standing in the clouds. that way i walked into the cloud as well. taunting to get him out. that happended a couple of times.... then i died.
i instucted him for the 2nd try and all went well.

mandokir:
got the tanks instucted. but the pulling went awfull. he ran streath to out beloved healer and pregnant dogslapped her down.
now i know what to do there.just stand right infront of the stairs to taunt him and get him to position.
when i died zeon took over tanking and that went good. about mandokir there isnt really much i would like to complain

MC run:
yes was awfull. imo the grouphig tactic works, but its to riscy since if only one doesnt hug enough. he charges and gives everyone 1000dmg. so i would suggest to just do it the old way. where the elemental died faster and we didnt die at all.
we lacked healers. everytime an add came. the 3rd tank took him, but didnt get any heals.
we had nice range dps though. 1st run we had 3 mages. now we had 9 singed in and joined. some at different times, but 7 were in raid most of the time.
we had to few people in general as well.couldnt take any replacements for the ones who disced. had 8 offlines for a long time as record.
i wanted to make it a trash run, since the beginning there was no change we could make it to Luci.
hope the next run will be a mix of the first 2.
- no whipes
- enough healers and a full raid
- many mages for the imps and ranged dps



about future ZG runs. i think we must do the bosses we can take. since we can get better gear from them, whitch will make us stonger for other bosses.
i think venoxis can go a lot faster. since allmost everyone knows how to do it.

maybe Shar u can make a macro for tactics on bosses we can take. last time explaining took about 15 mins. we got a boss @ 20:05 we took him down at 20:35 or something.also cuz of the whipe.
i think that can go faster. also cuz of shar disc we had to wait a long time for we could really move on. mandokir shouldnt be a problem either.
then we can try spidy boss.

i suggest do jeklik on an other day together with an spidy boss try.