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Post by dlux on Dec 22, 2005 15:10:36 GMT 1
No, but I can play with underaged girls in prison, so I dont see the problem in that ;D
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fearoz
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Post by fearoz on Dec 22, 2005 15:53:37 GMT 1
Well nepherea u dont know S H I T what there is going on in other applications even if u KNOW the people....
U need to imagine how many whispers and whining u get from outside the guild if u are a major guild like bloodline or any other major guild. u only need to find a way to coörperate with this in the beginning. I got my own sources of how its like when ur inside so again: dont come up with stories if ur not part of it. And no i'm not gonne be like u spamming MEMBERS ( not talking of forax tho ) u know i'm just saying i've talked with serveral classleaders and i know ppl IRL that are inside and not just some ppl online who can say anything. So i also know the EXACT reason why some ppl cant join and why some can.
i do see this as an personal flame on me and i will keep this in mind, since i noticed some elders keep disregarding guildmembers and not leaving them in their dignity. this is also a reason for me to consider leaving when this will always be the way ppl are working together and i dont see any improvement at all ( this is not the improvement on the bosses but just in genereal relationships with members and team spirit )
for example: yesterday the zg run try tiger boss
hunlop and i took over the leadership since no officer or leader was able to attempt on this run. We managed to get a full group ( after alot of whining about time ) and started the raid with 17 ppl with the tiger boss as main goal.
the trashmobs went fine ( could be better ) tho it was messy on ventrilo, ppl dont noticed they got to shut their mouth when its nessecary.
Boss: Ok after the clearing of the trashmobs we waited for serveral ppl to get back online due the dc's and the rejoin or join of the raid. Followed by the tacs. it took hunlop and me almost 10 min till everyone shutted up.
first attempt: lack of healing on the offtanks which resolved in a death + whipe ( also can be due they aren't prot specced + defense geared )
2nd attempt: a little mistake of 1 of the tanks, 1 add boss was still in the casters group which caused a silence on a few healers + some other casters
3th attempt: we decided to do another attempt which cause whining from a few ppl that we where not able to bring the boss down anyway ( what kind of attitude is that ? ) without practise and whipe's we will never make it or even get close. the only chance this will happen is when everyone get a grip on their task.
anyway, we started again and this was out best shot. it was unlucky that the first addboss was offtanked to death which made the other boss ressing him.
anyway, my point is that we just dont got enough active ppl to ensure succes
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Post by dlux on Dec 22, 2005 16:22:11 GMT 1
I understand your point fearoz ... and I even agree on some points
1. sometimes there isnt anough "leadership" from the raidleader ... or ppl don´t listen enough to the raidleader 2. there was some laughing and bullcrap on vent idd ... but when it had to be serious, it actually was ... U cant expect ppl to just shut up and be serious on vent all the time ... 3. I know there arent enough active players YET ... still if all active players will be leaving, we will never get anywhere... that is why I wanna push my luck to try and convince you to stay fearoz ;-) Been in some guilds with you before and always liked playing alongside of you ...
I know it might be different if you know some ppl irl ... but still ...
I wanna push my voice again over the fact that u have to be carefull over the chosen words on message boards and the internet ... And its up to the officers and elders to make an example imho ;-) pls talk positive and dont go dissing other guilds / players or even members for thinking different ...
Last thing fearoz : if you fail on first attemps for killing a boss u will always have some wining etc etc ... imo that is normal ... some ppl expect to succeed at first try ... wich is NOT POSSIBLE ;-)
and last but not least --> I did help to clear it out with some tactics :-p
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Post by thomassil on Dec 22, 2005 16:22:27 GMT 1
Yout got a point with the activity, but where's the love
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Post by dlux on Dec 22, 2005 16:26:53 GMT 1
GROUPHUG !!!!
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Post by Nepherea on Dec 22, 2005 16:45:53 GMT 1
look since when are we and bloodline the same ?
1 / We are a high end guild for the CASUAL player not for the guys playing evryday for 5-6 hours like in bloodline .
2/ Btw i do know people from bloodline irl not only just in wow so ...
3/ ginving criticism is good for officers/ Gm to improve the guild and we take the opinions of all members in high regard . BUT don't push this you're acting like bl is already ur guild and can't seem to handle some wellknown facts about it. Do I like the stuff they say about bl ofc not since many friends of mine are in it but what does sadden me is that there will be people invited in that guild and they can't live up to an expectation + getting dumped in the proces , they are starting to hate to game etc and will blame even us for it ....
4 / I will not allow Newborn to be used as a transition guild , spending time in people equiping them with gear so they can join another guild . If some people are reading this who had this idea i kindly ask these people to leave the guild .
I hope alot of people still are loyal to this guild since we make good progress in zg and we , the officers, are working out a good plan to do mc often !
We only ask have some faith in us and give always the maximum for this guild . We can't do MC if not evry1 is willing to do his part when we eventually slay ragna it will be because of you not only the officers and elders !!!!
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Post by fearoz on Dec 22, 2005 16:59:54 GMT 1
dlux: they where quiet indeed after several times of noticing, and even THEN there where still some ppl that couldnt shut up. correct, i like playing with u aswell but u need to stop outdmg me anyway, the fact that active ppl start to leave already makes it clear that its too late to convince ppl that there is gonna be done something on the activity which not all member notice. i'm not trying o diss anyone but only defending myself of things that got the impression i'm lying or wrong about those facts after the whipe i was not expecting fully silence in chat and vt but after new tacs or adjustmenst where given still ppl where whining and complaining. I also dont see the point in whining since it where the first attempts indeed and we need to coörperate to do better but when ppl aren't interested into that why should they join in the first place then? If someone dont know what i'm talking about ( whining and complaining part ) pls noticed and try to lead 20 ppl for uself and u'll noticed then. ---------------------------- Nepherea: If u think, i'm not trying to compare us with BL that should be a stupid idea. IF u want to be a high end game guild for casual players u'll still need improvement in the activity then there is when we'r now talking. I'm not wanna try to get the impression i'm in bl or something, i was just defending myself of the fact u said u know things better then me when its about the application of me or other members that are willing to put more effort in the game then casual or other kind of players. The fact that ppl just get dumped due the process is their own fault and i thing its up to u or not to ignore the blame on you or this guild
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Post by Nepherea on Dec 22, 2005 17:38:14 GMT 1
well we got that settled then .
We have a major improvement comming up anyway for the activity so we can do mc more and better but this is still discussed with all parties participating @ this plan we only ask for some patience in the meanwhile and a bit of faith in us too , since after the that application file was shown and like 1/2 of it were active players from our guild doesn't show too much respect towards us officers imo . Yes there are some problmens with raidactivity but that doesn't mean when we have a downer evry1 quits and looks forward to another guild , no @ this moment elders , officers and MEMBERS have to stick the hands together to make this better and i say it again : not officers /elders is what makes this guild run , it's the ACTIVE MEMBERS who make our progression a reality .
But Fearoz ur still welcome @ newborn , I have always respected you but some people have betrayed that trust a bit , people who i tought i could rely on , guess i was wrong on that one .
I would like to end with the following saying : A house is only as strong as the fundation it was buit upon .
meaning with the fundation , the members ofc and the officers .
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Post by Sharunos Starrune on Dec 22, 2005 20:19:42 GMT 1
Fearoz, just a thought, HOW should officers improve activity from members? We CANNOT... that's up to the members themselves... Get more members? How about it that 1) people would stay... 2) people of the RIGHT class actually want to join us? As for now, most that is keeping us back is the healer shortage... we got a lot of rogues, hunters and warriors, pallies are going towards mages, we got locks and mages even... all we lack are druids and priests to start doing some MC... Doing that will get more members to start playing mains again etc... but do you have ANY clue what's it like to try and manage a guild short on healers( and being only guildleader and trying to do a university education costing me 8 hours daily)? Last two points might seem some more irrelevant, but if people see me unfit as a Guildleader, let me know... if a lot of people think that way, ill just stand down!
And i gotta agree with nepherea.... We dont want to be a guild that just gears people up for Bloodline or ANY other guild... You are either with us, or you are not. If you are already sure you will leave, and you just remain to sneak some epics with it, before you leave. Please just be honest about it and don't beat NP down by draining items that's being worked hard for...
Yes, we are more a casual gamer guild. Yes, the DKP system isnt that good atm. Yes, Elders aren't flawless atm.
But like I stated, if you see me unfit to do this job, get new candidates and get a voting... ( I never said im a good guildleader, i just hate following orders )
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Post by bobsonn on Dec 23, 2005 13:11:39 GMT 1
Shar i still think that ur fitted for the job. since people tend to listen to u more in raids. now hunlop as "PVE leader" i hope we can get more raids done. since we have a big guild. if there is more progress fast and more to do more members will be active again. but it depends atm on healers... its hard to get those trust me. and other guild taking 50+ healers from us. i see thinds are getting on the edge here and is Dlux indicates we dont wanna break this guild up by this. it just made me (and prolly other officers) sad to see active members. who i consider "IG friends" are signing up for other guilds. i can completely understand that BL is a very atractive guild. since they are moving very fast and are very active. but have a lil faith in us. espescially when IRL friends are in it. I for have been doin allmost as much as i can to keep this guild up. trying te recruit healers everyday. talking to small guilds for absorbs. making guildraids and events at the evenings i could. some other officers have been lvling priests to fill up the healer shot. then its not so much fun to see some want te leave..... think u can understand that. hope we can make everybody happy again. with more raids and guildevents. /grouphug btw thought of a nice guild (PVP) event... dunno if its gonna work though. check out barrack --> pvp
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Post by champis on Dec 23, 2005 13:44:29 GMT 1
oh feck -.- delete my post was writing things that was already said ...
did just read the first page of the thread -.-
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Post by socrates on Dec 28, 2005 17:23:10 GMT 1
Yes, we are more a casual gamer guild. Yes, the DKP system isnt that good atm. Yes, Elders aren't flawless atm. But like I stated, if you see me unfit to do this job, get new candidates and get a voting... ( I never said im a good guildleader, i just hate following orders ) Sharunos I think you are a great guildleader. You allways have a clear oppinion about things and it seems to me you have thought about it too, I like that. anyway on-topic. It's not verry strange that people are leaving. No guild is perfect and I'm sure that even members of bloodline are leaving their guild because they think it doesn't fit them. And we all agree it's their right to do so. The reason, however, for the ppl to leave is something we could pay attention to. Reason for leavers are: -"NP isn't doing enough end-game raiding" "enough" is only a matter of persception and if you think NP isnt doing "enough" they are right to leave because this guild isnt for them. -"We lack the progression in end-game dungeons" This is something I find very sad to hear, in all the guilds I've been, I've never seen a guild learn as fast as NP. Having a good understanding of eachother helps alot. It seems to me, we have alot of mature ppl. -"I want to do MC more" NP is a relatively new guild and mastering MC takes time (and healers). The first months of pandorian alliance(former Bloodline founders) in MC where nothing but misery. No bosses down, lot's of leavers etc. eventualy they managed to take down the first boss, after that the rest went alot smoother. So if we just could get more healers I'm sure we will be able to kill the first boss and do the rest of the instance alot better. Speaking for myself I rather learn everything from the bottom to the top than having everything just handed over to me. This game isnt about epics for me (I like them though), the fun part is about making friends and learning things together and to be part of something.
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Post by dlux on Dec 28, 2005 23:52:06 GMT 1
second socrates for every word
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Post by niram on Dec 29, 2005 12:33:58 GMT 1
Nepherea who exactly do you think has betrayed you? It's pretty funny that even though tobiasjee and I left, we're still closer to NP than a lot of your current members. Bloodline does not remove people for making mistakes, they aren't elitist which many of you may find suprising, as I did. You need to make an alliance for Onyxia, not MC. As for rewarding less active players, this makes no sense, you should be rewarding your active players more, even as a casual guild. I'm sure we all like learning from the bottom socrates, failing lots of times before succeeding adds a lot to the win. The problem is the complete lack of MC attempts, it really isn't hard to form a temporary alliance with other guilds and these alliances should have been formed sooner. The solution to your DKP problem is simple, www.nurfedui.net/ndkp.php lots of my friends high-end guilds on US servers use it, bloodline uses it, it's a great well balanced system and it rewards those that deserve items if used properly. It also lets the raid leader see who has what dkp in-game. In this system it doesn't matter if an elder takes your spot or not, since you still get an attendance noted down if you are WILLING to go and you are on at the time the raid starts, if then attendance % is regarded as more important than DKP for giving loot, people who are pushed out of raids but have a lot of enthusiasm will get loot and eventually be as well geared or better geared than elders. I can't wait for you all to start MC, right now you're attempting very hard ZG bosses with blue gear, it's going to require you all to work near perfectly which is impossible to do consistantly, with MC epics (which are ARE capable of getting right now), you'll have a much greater margin of error. A few days ago I saw you had 46 people online when only ZG was scheduled, this is going the right way.
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Post by dlux on Dec 29, 2005 12:45:21 GMT 1
every one is always asking for mc mc mc mc mc mc ... we had 3 or 4 mc runs planned this week and we barely had enough players for ZG ... even ingame ppl start complaining and asking for MC, but when we ask them to subscribe on the forum that is to much to ask I really dont understand that part tbh... a forum is such a handy thing !!! USE IT !!! (that is to the ones not using it off course ;-) )
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