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Post by dlux on Nov 23, 2005 13:37:58 GMT 1
I was wondering if there is any intrest in a guildraid towards AV ... I think it can come in VERY handy for at least winning once  I got some basic tactics when it comes to AV ... FE. : taking ib and healing are some necesary basics, but in a random group, none off these things happen... What we need is a good group of rogue´s and druids together with some def tanks (for holding the flag) and some NE hunters (to stealth and defend the flag when all the rest is dead ... If you are interested pls post it here ... dependable on the amount off interests I will try and organize one ... should be fun imo |
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Post by Sharunos Starrune on Nov 23, 2005 14:35:28 GMT 1
Hmm im not a very big fan of AV, but if there's large interest, sure i'll join ^^
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Post by bobsonn on Nov 23, 2005 15:09:05 GMT 1
euhm i havent been to AV for a long time. i heard things have changed, but "holding flag" isnt that more like AB? well for either im up.  . sign me up for AB backup list since in suck in that |
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Post by dlux on Nov 23, 2005 15:42:03 GMT 1
Well yeah ... I wasnt talking about "holding" the flag like in AB ... but holding and "defending" the flag untill we captured the GY completely ... most off the time its like this : we capture the flag, guards come back, horde gets back ... alliance = dead ...  My plan would be to find a 15 - 20 man party and join in as a group perhaps (around 18h30 - 19h30) in the hope there will be a new AV starting up soon ... after that ppl from the guild can still join in afterwards as individuals ... Its possible that we will not be able to join in a new av as a group tho ... dunno how other pvp guilds manage this, but once after 1.9 I think it might get easyer ... |
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Post by bobsonn on Nov 23, 2005 20:33:45 GMT 1
a ok. well ill sacrefice myself as def warrior to hold flag. could use a healer with that though. defense gear doesnt really seems to work in PVP. last time i did av i just charged in groups. bloodrage --> intimidating shout. and all the mages ran right in to alliance lines thought that was kinda funny |
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Post by fearoz on Nov 23, 2005 21:36:12 GMT 1
i think we can better make up some groups for AB cause of the following reasons.
more interest in playing ab
takes shorter
more chance to win then av
less ppl needed so u can make a group on short notice
we can sign in as group which cant be done anymore in AV
more honor in a shorter amount of time so also more rep
mayb a better idea?
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Post by bobsonn on Nov 23, 2005 22:19:59 GMT 1
well if u cant sign up in AV as group.... maybe AB is better but i think if we are with many AB will be hard. since horde groups are far more stonger then us. havent seen any horde group in there with not at least 8 players with epix on. well practice is ofcourse the key but in AV u arent as depended on a few people as in AB imo can allways try em all out |
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Post by thomassil on Nov 24, 2005 11:52:02 GMT 1
Well Snowfall is so easy to get. It's always me luring korrak away with cheetah on. So simple to get the flag and if you lay down a frost trap, rogues attacking you from behind get catched. Also it's nice to flare all the time making rogues a nice snack for korrak.
The problem in AV is, that once we are driven back, there are no fast ways out to get stonehard or stormpike back, while if were at frostwolf iceblood is cookie to get for the horde. Horde can win 40/40. Alliance can only break the frostwolf defense when get under 25 people. Then the games will take 10 hours to win for the alliance and only 3-4 for horde.
AB is by far the better BG for honor. The rewards are nuts but I don't really mind. It's more fun, but if every horde in there has an epic mount, alliance are screwed most of the time due random pickup 60% mounts.
If there are about 5 warriors in AB, it's insane to defeat them. I can allready give four names that are allways in the same team.
Mezzlock - orc warrior
Bogogus - troll warrior
Hemligt - undead warrior
Tjecken - tauren warrior (the only guy of 4 without much skill)
I slowly begin to realize that there are some reasons why the alliance is having trouble to win BG. In AB we have a good chance, but then there may not be more then 2 paladins in it at the same time. I don't think it's the pala class, but this two places on horde side are either filled with warriors of shamans. A paladin is good if you have one or two in the whole bg, but yestrday I played a game with 4 of them. The problem is that paladins stay alive really long. But at the time they killed something, hordes allready had the time to ress and run or ride back. And with a lot of enemies on a paladin, the paladin will fall. If you look at the maybe 2 more warriors the horde brings in, they can intimidate, kill mages and priests in even 2 hits. They give hunters serious pain, wile bleeding and hamstring on, making it almost impossible to get away.
Pallys will be able to get the flag in immune state, bu most consider that cheating thus not doing it.
I play a paladin on the test server now and I will announce a new thread to announce their exstintion.
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Post by bobsonn on Nov 24, 2005 12:32:46 GMT 1
i must say that horde has allways been better in PVP. not only on this server. i played a troll hunter on daggerspine. there was twice as many alliance on it, but we had twice as much lvl 60s in the beginning. all AV got won by the horde except the ones late at night since horde got simply outnumbered then. i thought same was for SH. not sure though. now there are more lvl 60 alliance simply cuz there is more alliance. but the change figthing lvl 60+ hordes is bigger then fighting lvl 60+ alliance. in every BG i see horde with better gears then alliance. unless u have a big team of MM, OOTH, Exiles or something like that with ya. AB is really gear dependant, since there are only 15 players in it. about pala's they were a pain in the ass at AV. they ran i. fire thingie shield and run back. then w8 for CD and run back in again -.-. really fun to play against. most of the time we just did nothing if one ran in to the horde. we just clapped, waved,cheered, spit, danced with them . i can understand that they suck in AB since they dont kill. and AB is small. shaman do lot more dmg are far more usefull then palas. my suggestion recruit some shamans for our guild. they are pretty good. also they rock in instance with totems and with their anks they rezz themselfs and then us. so warlock isnt need that bad anymore for ZG |
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Post by fearoz on Nov 24, 2005 18:59:08 GMT 1
well its half true that horde is better, its just that there are so many alliance ppl that think they own everyone. this occurs in spread groups of the alliance which makes u lose the BG
when we'r at least with 12 ppl in the BG this can be prevented and u got a huge chance to win it.
about the epic part, epic or not, if u just work together it'll do fine, just quick backup etc
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Post by dlux on Nov 24, 2005 21:07:59 GMT 1
What fearoz said ... |
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Post by thomassil on Nov 25, 2005 11:37:32 GMT 1
Yes alliances are egoistic. They won't fight. They loot even when they are in enmy fire. And there is always some sort of smart ass that yells push push push now.
It is important to get there with a big clump. Then healing people keeping them alive at all times. If you want to kill as a priest or druid it's best to go to AB. A lot more honor.
Also another problem is that there are some people running forward getting separated. Then getting in enemy fire and get killed. Stupid actions. -.-
If my priest is 60, then im going to AV to heal and shield people. That's way more effective then get those small honor points lke 3, 8 etc... It's the reputation that counts there not the honor.
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Post by dlux on Nov 25, 2005 13:53:05 GMT 1
Well ... I cant really agree there thomassil ... First lets make a clear differance between AV before and now Before: it was easyer to take over a GY imo ... and even to keep it ... and maybe even most of all : to GET there without being shot from towers etc etc... Pushing is THE most important thing to do to get somewhere ... standing in the back and shooting doesnt help a thing ... Play offensively, its still the best defense ... I remember beiing in the frontlines between some warriors etc shooting the backline off the hordes (healers and buffers and mages and whatever) and then hordes HAD to back up. Kept on yelling PUSH PUSH PUSH like a silly man like u state it... NOW : Wellnothing seems to work now... every one keeps going on there own ... sometimes 2 or 3 ppl might go with you to ib and such, but not to many the alliance keeps even a bigger stance back at defensive mode and always gets pushed back ... Even shouting doesnt help in general chat, asking for help is a lost cause etc etc ... That is why I wanna turn it around and ask for some guildies to join AV and WIN it FFS :-p Things that must happen is PUSHING forward and working in group ... + buffing and healing off course |
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Post by dlux on Nov 28, 2005 9:10:36 GMT 1
Ok I wanna bring this part up again Yesterday we managed to WIN an AV ... surprise surprise !!! YES we did ... how u ask ? Well it all went down like this : - Started out with a new AV ... joined in after about 20 min off the combat or something... Then I organised a assault group ... 5 man 2 warriors (lvl 54 & 60) 1 druid (54) 1 priest (52) and myself (hunter lvl 60) We started out at the back off IB garisson (horde had SF in hands btw, so we sneaked in under the bridge) killing the mobs over there and slowly getting to ib tower ... me taking out the shooters on the tower first (backed up with some healing) Pulled down the guards in the tower with small groups ... till most where dead ... By that time some hordes came to bother us but we had 2 more warriors who joined us so we got a strong group with some good healing ! (wich the horde didnt) Slowly went inside the tower killing more and more guards on our way up ... to finally take over the tower ... (1 warrior pulled the mobs inside and we captured the flag ) when mobs came back , we killed em all including the hordes I got to admit that we where kinda lucky that not to many hordes joined in this fight tho ... Mission 1 acomplished : ib tower destroyed !!! Next on our list was ib GY We took the same road and sneaked up from behind, sometimes running to our corpses to not be seen by the hordes... In the meantime the other big group off alliances where zerging SF ;-) pulled away guards at IB and took the flag (where loads off hordes spawning in IB so now they all spawned at SF or even FW wich gave us the time to defend it and kill the guards 1 by 1) We got some backup at if and succeded in our defense ... AND at the same time alliance captured SF ... wich resulted that ALL hordes now had to spawn in FW so defending sf was a peace of cake ... After taking the second tower at IB (forgot the name) it was kind of a zergfest to FW ... Once we had that GY all the hordes started to leave the battlefield (they are probably not used to beiing at that point off the game :-p so we kinda easely took over the other 2 towers and the last GY ... and we WON !!! What I am trying to proove with this little story is that u can easely make a difference with a small group off people (if the hordes are just zerging there way thru off course) no need to be lvl 60 every one ... as long as u got some good backup on the healing u can do ALLOT to change the plot in AV ... Got about 8000 honor from a 3 hour game |
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Post by thomassil on Nov 28, 2005 15:20:37 GMT 1
Yeah have been in that AV to. It was a horde B team and some of the alliance upper class.
The Iceblood thing is harsh to do and it are horde noobs if you succeed with it. They tower people normally ae enough to diminish your group, yet let you take the tower.
Takin the Gy isn't a problem but it's quite a hell and nearly impossible if the following people are around
Sillisoudra and mezzlock (priest warrior couple)
Lokar (he has nerves) the whole BG time he is leeching and sitting at Iceblood and only doing intimidate shout)
Raa (imbalanced shaman, I always run if I see him, impossible to win from hi without full tier 1)
If you succeed then you gotta yell for backup and hope those people are in time to save some butts.
In a normal AV game it's like a curse when you come to FW graveyard. As long as they have over 30 hordes frostwolf is impossible to get... please don't say it isn't true or i will post all the screenshots, the story and the 3X almost 12 hours during Av from some different servers. ( the guy did tape it -.-) If 10 people defen only the entrance to FW village. Their defense may allready be to vast sometimes.
I think they must have felt sorry for us, by all leaving.
It's not that i don't think that the alliance can't win (we can win AB on a 50-50 %) The BG is imbalanced. Blizzard would do it good if they both sides the same bases and not the crappy bridge and the hordes 4 parts fort with towers able to cover almost all the village...
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. sign me up for AB backup list since in suck in that 